Should Doctors Die With Zero?

Bill Perkins’ book Die With Zero has become well known for its central idea that we should aim to die with no unused money because any leftover dollars represent missed opportunities to live fully. The concept is interesting and it definitely pushed me to think differently about wealth. But as a physician, I walked away with mixed feelings. Perkins writes for a general audience. Our financial reality is not general. So should doctors actually die with zero?

A quick background

When he wrote the book, Bill was 50 years old. He is not a financial advisor. He made his money as an energy trader and it sounds like he made a lot of it. The story behind the book traces back to a moment early in his career when he proudly told his mentor he had managed to save just over one thousand dollars while living on a modest salary in New York City.

He expected praise. Instead, his mentor told him he was doing it wrong. Why save aggressively in his twenties when his income would almost certainly rise later? That question sparked the philosophy that eventually became Die With Zero.

The basic tenets of Die With Zero

Here are the main principles Perkins outlines in the book:

doctors die with zero
  • The goal of life is to maximize meaningful experiences and accumulate as many personal “life experience points” as possible
  • Any money left over at death is wasted potential that could have funded those experiences
  • Giving to children or charity is encouraged, but earlier giving is more beneficial than leaving money behind
  • Life requires a balance between energy spent earning money and energy spent creating experiences
  • Most people save too much early in life because they fear outliving their assets
  • Younger people should take bigger risks because they have time to recover

These ideas are not unreasonable on their own. Yet when we apply the last two principles to physicians, things become more complicated.

Should doctors save less for the future?

In short, no.

Doctors are not saving too much. If anything, we are saving far too little. Nearly 40 percent of physicians between 50 and 55 have a net worth below one million dollars. Only 11 percent have reached 5 million.

And while 5 million sounds like a comfortable number, remember the 4% withdrawal rule. It converts that $5M into roughly two hundred thousand dollars per year before taxes. Most doctors I speak with want more retirement income than that. Many also want to retire much sooner than they currently can.

And why is the average doctor in this position of lower than expected net worth? (Remember, you can calculate your expected net worth for your age here.) It's because of two things:

  • We spend too much and
  • We save too little

Remember, the average physician salary is greater than $200,000. If you can't save enough for your nest egg with that salary, then you have a saving problem, not an income problem.

(And yes, I know that it seems like that's easy for me to say as a plastic surgeon making the higher end of physician income. And it is easier with more income. But the average is more than enough. Just ask any non-physician.)

Add this inept average saving by physicians with the delayed gratification of training and I fear the call for doctors to “die with zero” becomes dangerous rallying cry.

Should young doctors take more risk?

Perkins argues that young people magnify worst case scenarios and avoid taking healthy risks. That may be true in many professions. It does not apply well to medicine. Future doctors routinely take on hundreds of thousands of dollars in unsecured debt with no income and no guarantee of matching into a residency. We spend seven to ten years working long hours under intense pressure with no real financial safety net. If something goes wrong, the debt remains while the income disappears. That is a far greater early-career risk than the examples offered in the book.

Because of this, the idea that young physicians should take even bolder risks feels disconnected from the reality of how much risk we already take before earning our first attending paycheck.

So should doctors die with zero?

The concept itself is not flawed. It is useful to be reminded that money is a tool for creating meaningful experiences. Where the philosophy becomes tricky is timing. If I had read this book early in my financial journey, the message would have landed poorly. I was on track to become an overspending and undersaving physician. I spent plenty during school and residency. Some of it brought real joy. Much of it did not. Without the discipline I later learned, I could have easily convinced myself that any spending in my twenties was justified.

For that reason, I think Die With Zero is best for physicians who are already on the path toward financial independence. I fit that category now. I still lean conservative with saving because I grew up watching money disappear quickly. It is difficult not to want a large cushion. That is why the book served as a good reminder that money only matters to the extent that it improves our lives and the lives of those we care about.

Once you have saved and invested enough to reach your goals and protect yourself from financial disaster, spending more intentionally becomes not only reasonable but healthy. At that point, using money to build experiences like this is one of the most worthwhile ways to use it.

What do you think? Should doctors die with zero? Where are you on the spectrum? How do you plan to spend your money? Let me know in the comments below!

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4 Responses

  1. I loved this book. I agree with much you have written – how we ‘invest’ our money is not only how we invest in stocks and real estate, but how we invest in our relationships, our families, and other things that we care enough about. I have read once and listen to the audiobook 2x and it has caused me to think differently – with my parents, my kids, and my life in general. ‘The average age of inheritance is 62’ was the biggest thing that I took from the book – and by age 62, we have all likely secured our financial future, paid for our kids colleges (they are likely done with it), and have the home and cars we wish to have. Our knees are not as they were at 45 nor is our back, so, having the 500k or 500M inheritance from our parents is silly at best. Give/Spend/Invest it as the ‘utility of money’ curve tells you to!!!! Great post – thanks for it.

  2. Great post man. I definitely want to die with zero! Haven’t read the book, but I think the message of maximizing happiness through spending is a good one. I don’t necessarily think though that it would’ve been detrimental to over all spending happiness by not saving in your early years. In order to maximize happiness and max out the spending you can in life, you actually need to save and let your money compound and grow. I still have to read the book, but if Bill Perkins is saying that I should actually decrease saving and investing in my early years then he is missing out on the ability to spend a crap load of compounded money later and max out enjoyment in the latter part of your life. I would definitely disagree with Perkins if hes saying that most people save too much in their younger years. I agree with Jordan that we have as a society the opposite problem of spending too much when younger, and then compromising any saving and compound growth where we suffer when we’re elderly and forced to delay retirement and work because we have to not because we want to.

  3. I think a key point that may be missed by just reading this blog and not the book is that your spending (Perkins calls it “investing”) should be on experiences, rather than things. Too many doctors are overspending on fancy cars, jewelry, houses, and boats that they rarely have the time to enjoy. Instead, they should be spending their time and money to make memories for themselves and their families.

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